[@Mega Birb][@Lucius Cypher] In this case, I'd have to vote in Grafdakka's favor. Because Torag's plan revolves around Grafdakka's weapon being able to be taken on his pauldron, when Grafdakka's chainsaw death shred weapon is probably larger than Torag's entire body, or close enough. It would be like saying you're going to deflect that incoming semi-trailer with your pauldron. Also, Machina vs Angel when this seems to be a sheer power contest. It's also offense vs defense, where offense usually seems to win in this thread. Even before Torag launches his attack we have one of the following: A. Torag's Armor is stronger than Grafdakka's attack.. Torag still gets pushed back and can't execute his strike. B. Torag's Armor is stronger than Grafdakka's attack and he can't be moved.. Grafdakka's splats like a banana thrust into Torag's Armor, which is not a relative power level I'd be too happy about seeing. C. Grafdakka's attack is stronger than Torag's Armor.. Torag gets torn up a bit and thrown back because he got cocky. D. Grafdakka's attack is stronger than Torag's Armor and he can't be moved.. Torag gets blenderized. I'm not sure we want to go this far, but if I understand the situation correctly, I think it's what should happen. I mean, this seems like a straight up contest between "Angel Armor whose special power is self repair" and "Machina Attack whose special power is space tearing god killer charge up attack that has been fully charged".