[quote=@Willy Vereb] Can you clarify a bit? Does it mran that we don't know what's up with the Prussians vut most likely they still exist? I remember that Prussians still lost their chance of becoming a great or even regional power so I guess there is a huge migration issue they deal with? Do if yes then perhaps I can still include in my writing how to exploit that to get some experienced personnel where one would need them. [/quote] The root of the answer boils down to: [quote]The effective Point of Divergence for the RP is the Treaties of Tilsit. While the Prussian monarchy existed practically in so far as Napoleon willed them to continue existing, the stipulations of the treaties outlined merely reparations the Prussian state would have to pay to France and saddled them with crippling debt. Originally signed to bring the Russians into the Continental System and assist Napoleon against the British and the Swedish, the Emperor decided to regardless test the faith of the Russians and instead of simply abiding the slow repayment of debts by Prussia to France, he opted for an immediate and systematic liquidation of Prussian estates to repay the debts. The effect of which was a far more aggressive melting down of the medieval junker class that had until then ruled Prussia and Germany and the rise of the independent small-hold Peasant who were able to acquire their own property for cheap or on lenient financing.[/quote] Prussia as a concept or state wasn't annihilated, since in the process of De-Nepoleonization and reducing the extent of French power in Europe it was an aspect of old Prussia. And considering there is as quoted later the first exile of Napoleon, followed by instead a much longer Hundred Days, the phase of French occupation in Prussia wasn't particularly long. But the effects of it went deeper. And for geopolitical reference, as this applies here: the process of peace in Europe during the first Bourbon Restoration was simply to roll back Napoleon's accomplishments, the second peace was to basically roll back France's gains of most of the revolutionary period; especially given the much longer reign Napoleon acquired after winning Waterloo, extending the Hundred Days into A-Lot-Longer-Than-Hundred-Days. [quote]Returning to Europe a hero, Napoleon claimed himself immortal. But rumors abounded that his armies had taken more of a drubbing than he was letting on, and Europe was plunged into the War of the Sixth Coalition by Austria, England, and anti-Napoleon forces in Central and southern Europe that managed to discover and utilize the unhealed weakness in Napoleon's forces from Russia. He was defeated and sent to Elba, which he recovered from and returned to France, defeating the restored Bourbons and rebuilding his Empire[/quote] The matter is indirectly addressed here-in, in a sense. Perhaps he never swept over all of Prussia again to depose Hohenzollern rule after it was reimposed after the First Restoration of Bourbon. But in any case, Waterloo was still fought and it's implications to the existence of Prussia there-in. [quote]It is the best of times and the worst of times in Europe. Fourteen years ago, Napoleon Bonapart, Emperor of the French was finally defeated in battle against a coalition force of the British, Swedish, and Russians in an invasion of the British home islands at Kent. In that space of time he had mastered the field of Waterloo, sending the forces of the Seventh Coalition into chaos which he was able to use and bring about his Empire for a second time and continue war against all Europe.[/quote] Where a decisive feature for the victory was the Prussians finding their way having gotten lost and arriving in the nick of time, late but not helplessly so of which they were OTL a credit to the Coalition. In this case: not so much, so Prussian proof of restoration was sort of lacking. So we return to the salient point of the present state of Prussia and Northern Germany [quote]the medieval junker class[/quote] The Junkers as a class formed the bulwark of Germanic nobility in the north and the expansion of Germanization of the Slavic lands east of the Elba river and it was in them that much - or all - of the farm land of the Prussian/German state was held through a long line of inheritance passed through the line of the eldest son. During Prussia's rise from Duchy to Kingdom and to the very end the Junkers formed the core of the officer class because sons without inheritance had no where else to go and otherwise held the chivalric tendencies of their class position and education. However, Napoleon did in this RP to the Junkers as the Revolution did to the nobility and destroyed their estates for direct liquidation to not-ennobled Germans as a means to leverage finance for the campaign and performed a dramatic re-organizing of the Prussian state in the process of cutting out the Junker class. It was not Prussia that was destroyed, but the bulwark of its own aristocracy. The Prussian nobles may have or most likely joined their French counterparts as emigres to England or Russia or elsewhere to wait things out until they could go back and reclaim their estates. But as evidenced by how incomplete Bourbon Absolutist restoration was in France and how OTL and GoN Charles X has not been able to totally destroy the Charter and gut the Napoleonic administration, and how the Napoleonic Civil Code was dominate over most of - if not all - Continental Europe for nearly or more than a century, returning Prussian Junkers who come back to Prussia to reclaim their estates are having at the least a time and a half at it, as the old nobility of France returning after the final and Second Restoration. This would not however mean that Prussia is necessarily completely ruined. Just totally changed from what it was OTL, a state ruled by a petty nobility who had the military state totally subsumed to its own ego, which then becomes the state. Returning to Prussia Junkers who find it difficult to get their vast estates back from emancipated and landed serfs may just retreat to their last traditional bastion of military service in Prussia. Or even retreat to another major European power; probably not a German minor. The physical shape of Prussia in the new world is determined by what the Congress decided and signed off on in whatever whacky layers of legitimate terms and traditional secret terms in the treaty (in the vein of Compo Formio surrendering Venice to Austria to end the First Coalition). The state of Prussia isn't so much that it isn't a formidable power in its own right, but it is greatly different from what it was in real life. It's old nobility is a shell of itself. There is a new rural middle class in the form of a larger German landowning base who got their land at French military auction. The Napoleonic state apparatus left behind has left an urban administrative middle class. The Junkers have to trade barbs with their new rivals and the King and his family has to manage the mess, but may have picked up compensatory prizes from the British, Russians, and Talleyrand. To summarize: No it means the Prussians still exist, the formatting of the opening post has apparently just lost people because of the Tale of Two Cities type beat to it. They're still an important German state, any emigration of the old German class is probably going to just be back home to pick up the family legacy, as much as it can be restored. Why go off to someone else if they are less able to get them land? Might as well have careers among the familiar social milieu if nothing else.