[quote=ActRaiserTheReturned] Forget all you know, or all you you know. [/quote] I get it confuses you. I understand it, it's quite hard to get your head around it. But rather try and laugh at it. Read Krauss's book on it, it's their to present and explain it. You can't use common sense when it's not something that's common. You just have to trust the results being shown that despite there being no particles, no matter, no waves, beams forces, only space and time, which is the only two elements allowed to exist within a state of nothing. [b]Literally has a quantifiable mass and is therefore still a state that can be effected, measured, and have a cause and effect outcome - for instance - like the beginning of the universe[/b] <-- that's what they mean by nothing being something.