[quote=scribz] I get it confuses you. I understand it, it's quite hard to get your head around it. But rather try and laugh at it. Read Krauss's book on it, it's their to present and explain it. You can't use common sense when it's not something that's common. You just have to trust the results being shown that despite there being no particles, no matter, no waves, beams forces, only space and time, which is the only two elements allowed to exist within a state of nothing. <-- that's what they mean by nothing being something. [/quote] No, nothing is nothing. For nothing to be nothing, there has to be an absence of everything, including space and time. That's the definition of the word, no things, nothing.