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6 yrs ago
Current The original 'Throw it on the ground.'
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7 yrs ago
Good luck Tuck.
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7 yrs ago
When a thread gets locked while I'm in the midst of typing my retort: 3.bp.blogspot.com/-rwro8doo…
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7 yrs ago
Stone Dragon: Kult of Athena's selection is as good as their website is bad. You can even get an Albion from them though you'll have to wait a year or so.
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7 yrs ago
A Pepsi huh. Have you considered bringing peace to the middle east?
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@Jbcool

Awesome, thank you :-)

Okay that was wild lol.
@BrokenPromise Happy to help :-)
@BrokenPromise

So I'm pretty sure everyone who knows anything about armor knows that as soon as plate came around, everyone more or less abandoned scale mail. Scale mail is heavier and, while easier to make, it is more time consuming. Why make all those little scales fit together when you can just bend a full plate? Something that no one ever really addresses though is which one actually protected better. Does anyone know if the lapped steel on scale mail was harder or easier to pierce than plate?


This is a more complex question than it may appear and it makes some assumptions that I cannot endorse. Nonetheless I will try to answer your question in an informative way, though I make need to make some assumptions about what you mean. Let me know if I misinterpret your meaning :-)

I suspect that you are referring specifically to the type of plate that emerged in 14th century Europe rather than the many types of plate that existed before this period. At the end of the 13th century a knight would be covered in mail from neck to feet and by the end of the 14th century they were nearly entirely covered by plates. Plate didn't replace scale in this case, it replaced and augmented mail (they were often used in conjunction).

Did the 14th century transitional harness and then the 15th century white plate offer superior performance to scale? Yes, across every metric. By the 14th century the lance and the polearm (of which there was a great variety) were considered a fundamental part of the knight's arsenal. Scale armor of any type will not protect you from a lance and it will not provide very much protection against the polehammer either. Scale was no longer suitable for the battlefield in Europe. Metallurgy had rendered it obsolete.

That said, I can't recall a single instance in which scale was replaced by plate. In every case I can recall scale had already been replaced by lamellar or mail before the arrival of plate. Do you have a specific example in mind?
The Emperor has protected. Or tried anyway ;-P
The missile exploded and the shockwave slammed Vitruvia face first into the ground. So sever was the impact that her nose broke against the front of her helm. Every bone in her body was jarred and she could taste blood on her lips. Worst yet, her righteous hymn was interrupted. But there was no time to be concerned with trivial details; the enemies of the God Emperor still surrounded them and the Inquisitor called for aid.

Aid she would provide.

Sister Vitruvia rolled to her feet in a whir of servos while heavy stubber rounds buzzed through the air around her. Autogun fire thumped into her armor as she left cover and swept her gaze toward the missile launcher, glowing white-hot in her helm's thermal vision. The distinctive profile of hot-shot lasguns was also clear. She knew them well from her years in the Schola Progenium. She also knew that a sudden hail of las fire could be blinding were your thermal vision active and she deactivated her helm's thermal mode before they could open fire.

She dived into cover once more both to provide a stable firing platform for her bolter and to protect herself against the hot-shot las guns, some of the only weapons which could penetrate the armor of the God Emperor's holy warriors. Then Vitruvia flipped her bolter to full auto and squeezed the trigger. Fire spewed from the barrel of her bolter as the rocket propelled projectiles rained hell upon the heretics with twin purposes. First, to kill the enemy. Second, to suppress the missile launcher and hot shot las guns before they could turn their armor piercing weaponry upon the Inquisitor.

"SISTERS!" Vitruvia roared through her helm's voice magnifier. "Concentrate your fire! FOR THE EMPEROR!"

@Jbcool Still here and I'll post soon :-)
Projectiles hissed and whined through the air. Vitruvia Procyon of the Order of Our Thrice-Pierced Martyr smiled and closed her eyes. She thanked the God-Emperor for giving her this opportunity to slay His enemies. What glory! What worship!

A round glanced off her cerimite shoulder plate spraying her cheek with chips of black paint. Vitruvia ignored it as she lifted her helm above her head and lowered it until the seals around her neck hissed and she laughed and sang as she walked into battle.

Hail the Conqueror, the God Emperor
By whose righteous crusades
All mankind is delivered, salvation from the horrors of the void


Vitruvia's stride never quickened or slowed as she walked down the ramp and toward the enemy, drawing her bolter and chambering the first round in the sixty round drum. She dropped to one knee behind one of the landers pistons and activated the thermal vision in her helmet, sweeping her gaze over the swirl of dust before them, seeking the incandescent glow of body heat.

She found it.

The battle sister did not waste ammunition. A thumb flipped the bolter to semi-auto and she aimed down her scope at the center of mass of each thermal glow. An armored finger squeezed once, sending a single .75 caliber rocket propelled explosive cartridge screaming through the air toward her target. Shift to the next target. Aim. Squeeze. Shift. Aim. Squeeze.
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