[quote=Gowi] Yeah, but sometimes it can go in the opposite direction-- there is a lot of chance with CK and the goal isn't to be a super empire or kingdom; just to be the best dynasty you can be.or I don't know roleplay your traits and have a lot of crazy fun [/quote] That's true. Not every game has to be a throne-grab. It's actually quite fun to play as the instigator, causing trouble but never actually grabbing power yourself. Keeping the king weak can sometimes be more profitable than becoming the king yourself.