[quote=So Boerd] Green, how fast can your characters run two miles? Oh, wait, Erde can raise walls. How fast can your characters climb one mile tall walls? How fast can they break through the wall, which is a mile thick? [/quote] I'm sorry. If you honestly can not think of a way to take on Erde with a high-tiered character, you aren't operating at a mental capacity of which anything I say will make any sense to you. ASTA - Then I suggest you stop throwing the word around, unless you want to be specific about it.