[quote=Jster] It really is. We bitch and moan about the new people but by the time some of the old people filter out the new people seem as if they've been here forever.Now without join dates, I can't really remember whose an oldfag and whose not. It doesn't really matter. There's something disgustingly special here. A lot of sites die when the old members leave. Or they just become impossible to return to. I used to frequent a site and was extremely into the community, made some great friends. Went back like a year ago and damn it was weird. I had outgrown the site. Went back just now, and it seems like a ghost town. Spam doesn't do that. We're all vaguely intelligent and can handle intelligent discourse. There can be definitive conversations had. It's a nice community even if we "hate" each other. [/quote] I second much of this. Half the reason we all profess to love or hate certain members, or even prescribe to that old "hierarchy" that existed, is just because all the drama is entertaining. It's exactly the same reason why entertainment (books, television shows, the news [hardihar I made a joke about news quality I'm so original]) all center about a piece of drama - a problem or issue - or conflict between people (much of reality TV, for example). It's entertaining, it's something to do. It's taken too seriously sometimes, sure, and that's as unfortunate as people beating eachother up over WWE. But the reason even those who are "hated" stay here is because damn, in reality this place is fairly unique, and if they're willing to stick out the bullshit it's probably because in reality they do feel a particular affinity for Spam's unique flavour. Y'know, I get sickeningly idealistic and sappy about this place past 1am. Fuck you all in the ass. Ah, sweet hatred, that's better.