[quote=Halo] Now, I refuse to do the same as you've done back to you, quoting sentence by sentence, because the point never gets reached that way - you just spiral off, arguing about every tiny facet of the others' argument, right down to individual word choice. It strips everything of context and defeats the point of discussion.[/quote] Except that each line I responded to had something that needed to be responded to. Glad you've hand waved all of that with a single line of not bothering though. :hehe [quote=Halo]As I understand it, your view is thus: "I could be wrong but Wayne's account of his experiences seemed unbelievable to me, therefore he must be lying. I thought it best to call him on it because people faking illnesses is detrimental."[/quote] My view is plain as day simple: Question that which is unbelievable until I get to the truth. [b]Wayne deliberately stated later on he had no clue what it is he has[/b]. Truth found. Problem solved. What about this is confusing? [quote=Halo]My view is thus: "You have no bloody idea if his experiences are real or not, because you aren't an expert and are limited by your own personal experience. I think it's best not to call people on it because the more vitriolic you are towards people you've decided must be 'fakes', the less comfortable people with real issues feel expressing them, out of fear of receiving the same treatment."[/quote] And I pointed out how this doesn't actually go anywhere because if you never question anyone, nobody learns anything. Please just read the damn thread to see how I wasn't being intentionally "vitriolic" and even managed to calm it down at the end to a simple message of telling him to figure out whatever it is he's got with a professional. :lol [quote=Halo]I never accused you of being deliberately spiteful or cruel.[/quote] [quote=Halo]Brovo, don't be a colossal dickweed.[/quote] You must have an enviable memory to not remember your own mistakes you made less than a day ago. [quote=Halo]I know that wouldn't be your intention. I also don't think that, honestly, you were seeking to help Wayne when you started this conversation. You were trying to call him out as a fake - which I understand, considering I know precisely how damaging those faking it can be (as I said, I've been there; you aren't the only one who knows anything), but on which my philosophy differs massively from yours.[/quote] Wait, are you trying to form an argument that basis itself in magically knowing my intentions when I deliberately stated my intentions and their results already?... That enviable memory, man. :hehe [quote=Halo]The core point of my argument was to highlight my view on this "calling out", and to get you to consider that maybe it could be detrimental.[/quote] And I refuted it by pointing out in this thread how it turned out to be not detrimental, actually. You're making no effort to counter that, though, instead pretending that I haven't countered your argument whatsoever. Go back to spam, the arguments are a lot shorter there and thus easier to follow. [quote=Halo]The way in which that point was presented was less than adequate, I'll admit, but I was hoping the core argument/the bigger picture would be taken into account rather than narrowing it down to word choice.[/quote] I didn't narrow it down to word choice. [quote=Halo]There is a difference between being privately sceptical, and deliberately trying to call someone out, in public, to prove them as a "fake". The former I fully support. The latter, less so, for the reasons outlined above.[/quote] Being privately skeptical on this topic goes nowhere. Telling someone that all the mental disorder claims they have aren't possible, then dissecting it with questions and statements showing it, then seeing them realize they didn't actually know what it is they may or may not have--[b]that was progress[/b]. Being privately skeptical and letting everyone fall for misinformation (whether intentional or not is beside the point) would have been [b]damaging[/b] to something that affects my personal life. [quote=Halo]All I ask is that you consider that opinion - quoting every tiny word I say and trying to pick apart my argument as if defending yourself from a vicious personal attack, or, even worse, somehow "win" the debate.[/quote] All I ask is that you try refuting the points I've already made as to why your point is absolutely wrong. [quote=Halo]This isn't Off-Topic, a debate on a purely intellectual level regarding pros and cons of X political system or Y approach to Z. This is much more personal, and is merely a discussion.[/quote] No, this is Roleplay [b]Discussion[/b]. Discussions are supposed to happen here. And, as I've already said to Wayne before, if he wants to remake this thread but strip it of personal connotations to speak strictly of the role playing elements of mental disorders, I'd be more than happy to comply to that set of guidelines. Heck I'd do it if someone asked me to do so. [quote=Halo]As for the whole "insult" thing, forgive me - it wasn't meant as a personal attack or vitriolic insult, really. It was akin to calling your mate an asshat or whatever.[/quote] "Stop being a colossal dickweed", yes, I can see the humour in this, if there was any intended. Realize though that text rarely conveys the intended emotional weight unless you constantly slew it with various other methods. I had to learn this ages ago due to my own lacklustre empathy. [quote=Halo]EDIT: I think, in essence, I felt the need to comment precisely because I know how important this is to you, and that the idea of somehow being detrimental to the struggles of people with mental illness would absolutely kill you. I felt the way you were acting was potentially damaging when you didn't intend it to be, and felt that should be highlighted as something you should consider in future.[/quote] And I think you need to learn how to refute points. Also need to work on that memory, I would appreciate that.