[quote=VarionusNW] hmm,you could have used dragons set effect,or used lyla/dropped dragon to get rid of the ZW's, and used Nephilim to kill the utopia (as long as it wasn't normal utopia) and then bring out a Midrash to stun your opponents utopias a small bit.You only need to run two lightsworns: Lyla and Ryko.I think i'm gunnu set up an OOC here in a bit. [/quote] I had Nephilim out and then summoned Lyla to use her effect and destroy a ZW Tiger monster (it granted Utopia Ray immunity to destruction by card effects). Lo and behold though, the card stayed, so I couldn't do crap after that.