[quote=kingkonrad] Woah. Woah, woah. I like the fucking sound of this. I genuinely think you are onto something here- this is brilliance. Count me in- it couldn't be a nation-RP in my view, and that's the only flaw- where to begin with? I mean, a normal army unit couldn't work, so I can only imagine that perhaps the Secret Services are the places to start- perhaps among the OSS, and the Soviet and British equivalents, perhaps even exploring the themes of Germany's rapid development of munitions and supplies (ie. the mass-production of Me 262s and the huge outgunning of Soviet Yaks in response, and so forth) to really illustrate the idea. Or perhaps a larger-scale political RP, not nation, but political- among people such as Stalin, Churchill and their various aides and ambassadors. I mean, it's a lot of ground to cover- I really like the concept and idea, it's just where to fit. Special Operations? Meh...but you have to have V2s, V3s even, shit, throw in all the stuff that the Nazis had on the drawing board as things that were perhaps on the brink of a production, and I think you could suddenly see a very, very different outlook on the world.In regards to Japan, nuke or no nuke? I can only assume that the continuum is still the same in the Pacific, as the Germans basically cut support to them in time, and that the Japanese surrendered, leaving Nazi Germany (or rather, a mostly de-SS-ified Germany) as a significant force that could at any moment, throw it's lot in with the West and fight the Soviets. I mean, the formation of the French Fourth Republic (I think), the idea of Norway and Finland (Norway having a strong Nationalist influence) both seeing the fallout of Nazis pulling out, and seeing perhaps Communist influences in their resistance movements (imagine the Norwegian resistance being infiltrated by the NKVD...yeah, it doesn't need thinking of). So you see my interest in the wider area of things- and I think that while I can't say that I alone can solve the idea of how we come into this, you can put me in as a person who takes a great intrest in what would happen- and you're the first person who I think who's finally put across some sort of legible idea about the Nazis. You haven't a Wolfenstein New Order though, no spoilers, or in that regards, this sudden idea that a Cold War wouldn't happen, and the Nazis would be superior- they're merely a third party, which I find cool (leaning though). Though I think I'd shit myself laughing if it DID go ahead and have Nazi Ubersoldaten, and so on and so on :D [/quote] I'm still pondering the nuke question. I didn't want to upset the flow of things, but the Allies having a nuke would make things interesting. I mean, America didn't care about Japan, it was a little island that had given them an excuse to ride the thunder. They bombed it without thought, just willing the war to end. Dropping it on Eastern/Western Europe, or indeed Russia, might be a little different. After Japan, they'd be more than aware of the destruction it wrought, in both theory and practice, and so maybe consigning a great deal of the world's population to nuclear fire might be off the table. Alternatively, the Soviets might suddenly throw everything they have behind their own nuclear project, thus bringing it into the war earlier than it happened in real life. I mean what was it? '49? '53? *Looks* Yup, '49. But they managed that by stealing a defeated Germany's uranium, which they wouldn't now have access to. Hmmm, I'll ponder it further, but for now we'll assume that the West don't want to blow up half the world UNLESS they have to. What we do know, is that with Germany technically defeated, but its army operating as a human shield for the West, the Russians would still vastly outnumber the Allies. There was a plan towards the War's end, where Churchill wanted to invade the USSR to ensure they didn't 'enforce' Communism on their 'liberated' states. The plan was withdrawn after they realised the Soviets outnumbered the Allies 3-1 in terms of men and material. One possible route we take is perhaps a 'divisional' level, or indeed, 'army' level type nation RP, where players assume control of Western armies against an NPC (or player controlled) Soviet Union. So rather than countries, you have territorial gains. To make matters interesting, we can assume that the Warsaw Uprising never happened (with Rommel's intentions to withdraw from the East, and his chivalrous nature, I can't see him attempting to add to the slaughter of the Jewish population) so Poland will retain much of its political activists etc, meaning the USSR may well be facing an organised resistance to its occupation. This would allow room for players to take up control of 'citizen armies', operating in the shadow, and then turning these resistances into fully fledge armies following liberation. Finland would have been steam rolled, I imagine. They made a one-sided peace IRL, but with Germany safely confined to its borders, I imagine the Soviet army may have well wanted more than a peace. As for as technology is concerned, I'll look into it. The German army of the late war lacked many vital resources, which hampered and prevented production of many of their drawing board ideas. Even the jets they had, which could run circles around everyone else, were limited and dependent on fuel that was becoming increasingly hard to produce. Still, with the West willing to strengthen them, if only to tie down large parts of the Soviet army, these resources may suddenly become abundant. So many 'ifs'. A fall out between the West and the East was inevitable. It was only Germany's surrender, and the invention of the nuclear weapon, that prevented an outright war. However, with Germany still an active force, and the West seeming to take territorial advantage of the situation (not to mention the incompatible ideologies of the USSR and the West), it provides an excellent catalyst for a war that never happened. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... I'll think on all of this. It's annoying though, all revved up but with no place to go haha. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable]Operation Unthinkable[/url]