So let me get this straight. America attempts to force democracy on a country that, while being ruled by Saddam (who I might add they put into power in the first place), had no real rebellions aiming to form one. Then put in their own puppet ruler for that democracy. Then trained an army of locals who never really gave a shit about said government to defend said government in the name of [s]America[/s] Iraq... Aaaand... [i]Now[/i] we're supposed to be surprised that a terrorist organization like Isis, which is extremely fanatically charged to accomplish their goals, is more than capable of absolutely wrecking the army that has utterly no motivation to defend their government whatsoever beyond that they were told to do it?

Really?... [i]Really?[/i]... Oh that's just sad. Can we just like... Leave the area alone now? Or glass it? I'd like to see solutions in there that aren't half-assed. That would be nice.

As for the Kurds, as much as I'd like to see them have a country again... So long as Turkey is an integral part of NATO's eastern front... That will never happen.