[quote=duck55223] UhLincoln never wanted to remove slavery. The republicans and Lincoln said they just didnt want it spreading to the territories, they wouldnt however mess with it where it wasn't implanted.It wasn't till much later in the war that was his goal, and even then the slave holding states that stayed with the Union were immune to the Emancipation Proclamation [/quote] But the South seceded believing that it would eventually lead to them losing slavery, so that whole talk shall stay. If someone believes something is true, they're going to talk as if it is true:D Also, I hope you don't mind that I date my stuff......... EDIT: Dang... I just realized I also have three war orders I need to fill out... @Outcast, does my declaring the absolute neutrality of Kentucky need to use up any order? Because I imagined that to be more in the ways of diplomacy...