[quote=Shy] You really don't get it do you? Certain threads are specifically started in spam to house serious discussions and these are typically well taken. OT discussion that occurs inside a thread is very rarely taken well after a few posts. Also just because someone responds to your post doesn't mean you have to explain what you said or refute their claims. In case you hadn't noticed Spam had moved on. If you bring back a topic that Spam has clearly finished with it isn't well received. You brought it to a point where nobody cared anymore or where they even got peeved with you (see what I did there?) yet your response to them continues to try and start something. It's over. No one cares. Buh-bye. [/quote] Some people have gotten tired and wanted me to stop. But there were others who also replied rather than saying stop. So just because some people want it to stop, doesn't mean everyone is done with it. If you want to say you and some others are tired of this that's fine. But to claim spam/everyone is? That's just inaccurate, you can't account for everyone opinions on something. [quote=Jorick] Atop what Shy said about it being less than welcome in a thread meant for something entirely different, which was spot on, there's also the matter of the approach. Starting a thread saying "hey guys, let's talk about religion, what are your beliefs or lack thereof and why do you think that way and blah blah blah" is cool, we've had that sort of thing in Spam and it remained civil for a nice number of pages before the inevitable derpstorm came along. Saying "my pet peeve is religion" is starting shit off by antagonizing religious people, which is the opposite of what you should be doing if you want to have a serious discussion.What you've done here is roughly equivalent to jumping into a random thread and saying "anyone who opposes abortion is retarded" and then complaining about it not spawning a civil discussion. Ever heard the saying "garbage in, garbage out"? It applies to conversations and discussions, start it with garbage and you're only going to get more garbage. [/quote] Admittingly, listing that as a pet peeve probably was asking to start something. However, it was related. They asked for pet peeves, I listed them. That's not the same as walking into a random topic and starting a completely off-topic debate. [quote=ImANargleHunter] You are so duuuumb.I am an atheist. I never said that atheists don't have morals. Some people need structure and guidance in their lives just to feel like they have a purpose. And that's okay.I'm not going to tell someone religion is silly because what I call factual evidence supporting science could in the future be considered bullshit. If you think atheism is somehow better than religion, you're really just being close minded.which you said is your pet peeve. Hmm.#NARGLEOUT [/quote] First tip in discussions. Insulting the other side only loses yourself credibility. :) As for structure, that is true. If they absolutely need religion rather than a friend, parent, loved one etc to give them that then so be it. If you had read all my posts, you would of seen my real issues with Religion is really when they: 1. Force it on others 2. Try to treat it as a fact in a Scientific or Education method (Ex: teaching it in school as fact) 3. As an excuse to promote bigotry and hatred So using it as a sense of structure? Fine, there is no conflict here unless if you make it one. The only issue is if that is also used to claim atheists lack morals/values (which although not here, I've seen claimed many times before). Also, there's a difference between being close minded and not simply agreeing with everything a person tells you. Open Minded people can still hold their own opinions, and still be able to change their views if given good enough reason. They just have to be open to the possibility.