[quote=Terminal] In my personal opinion, -post that's waaaaaaaaaayyyy too long to quote but the quote-r feels it deserves a response- ... let it pass. [/quote] Have you ever played Call of Cthulhu? So far out of every game I've played to date their character generation is probably the most realistic. when it starts out, the best your character's stats can be is above average (scale of 1-18, strength would be 1:sickly child, 18:naturally beefy) Then you can choose some skills that they're naturally really good at. (Big ass point system that I really dont feel like writing much up about right now) As you go along, every time you do something, you have a chance of increasing that stat. Rather than "Oh hey you leveled up, you can have this many points to increase whatever the hell you want" You have to actually WORK on your attributes. If you're playing in the medieval period and have an axe and start hacking through a horde of snake-people, well first off you're fucked because those snake people are horrifying and a bitch to kill (Personal experience >.> fuckers poisoned me and I was dead by the next sesion >.< Call of cthulhu is about as fatal as Dark Souls. It's not a question of IF you die, it's when and how you die) and second, as you use your axe you have a chance of getting better. Your base stats are your % that you'll succeed. Once you hit 100% in a stat you can continue to increase the skill and it gives you the option of doing special stuff, or you can attack multiple times. [quote=Dinh AaronMk] Well when discussion gets to the point someone's writing long dissertations on an ultimately menial thing: you know it's going too far. [/quote] No, that's when the conversation gets fun. [quote=TheUnknowable] So, NCR Rangers are this universe's version of a "Chuck Norris" joke, only more real? [/quote] Except they actually DO have a fist under their beards.