@Shien He's been cruel, even if he/you don't realize it he has been. I'd go through and highlight the times for your records but I honestly don't want to trawl through that many posts. You should really look at what he says not the way he says stuff to Thaler to understand. Telling her because of her way of life she's basically caused people to die anyway and thats her fault and she should own it. Whether or not that's true doesn't matter it's not going to be something you want to hear even if you were emotionally stable at the time and she wasn't. One of just many examples of him bringing her down. @Rhaevnn From mine/Thalers point of view they aren't. Sure they're friends/comrades there might even be feelings on both sides. But he confessed them to her while telling her she'd basically be considered evil if she didn't do what he said (Give up Black Thorn) so the point seemed rather moot. She's been more emotionally entangled in Etakar than Aemoten at this point XD.