[quote=Pepperm1nts] The Coalition wins, it's the Allies who are getting nothing out of this (except a lot of dead sons and fathers). The Prussians are a step closer to forming the German Empire, and the Dutch can now form Greater Netherlands. All the allies get is a bunch of dead people. Seriously, you should have kept fighting, France. Your move didn't just cost everyone the war, but will put you all at a severe disadvantage for (probably) the remainder of the RP. The Coalition has practically won the game. [/quote] Yeah, France just gave Prussia the German Empire. That's not exactly the game, but it's still a major blow to the balance of power. [quote=AegonVI] Hmm... This throws a major wrench into my plans moving forward... Someone should form a third (major) German state that I can take over. [/quote] This was the idea. France and I would have taken Hanover and the Western half of Prussia and re-established something similar to the Confederation of the Rhine or the Kingdom of Westphalia. Had Russia caved, we would have also carved out a Polish state from Congress Poland and the bit of Polish land in Austria. On top of that, had we forced Italy into something more than a white peace, I would have demanded Lombardy and then established Veneto-Lombardy vassal state between the two of us. The exact borders were still up for discussion, but it was what we were discussing.