[quote=So Boerd] Had the war gone on long and bloody, one side would have been totally eradicated. This is best for the sake of the RP. [/quote] Not necessarily. I'm sure someone wold have raised a treaty before their country was turned to ash. And in that case it would have been completely understandable. But surrendering before you even properly join the war? I mean, I don't want to bring up any stereotypes, but goddamn, France.