[quote=Pepperm1nts] Not necessarily. I'm sure someone wold have raised a treaty before their country was turned to ash. And in that case it would have been completely understandable. But surrendering before you even properly join the war? I mean, I don't want to bring up any stereotypes, but goddamn, France. [/quote] Surrendering? France doesn't lose a single square metre of territory. The treaty is essentially a white peace.