[quote=Doivid] btw this is the most straightforward answer you get, the rest after me won't try to be so helpful. [/quote] I [i]am[/i] being helpful. If something that mild winds them up then they'd just end up being abused by someone else in a far less straightforward and upfront manner. All I did was act as a signpost to point them towards a community they may well enjoy more than this one. Or maybe I was (am) just in a bad mood and didn't want to be my usual totally-sweethearted self. It's a mystery. :nat EDIT: Anyway, whatever, I am sure shoopington will have a [i]gee-are-ate[/i] time here.