[quote=Captain Jordan] I just got back, what did I miss? [/quote] Bill's opening statement. So far it's been framed as follows: HAM: Observational science and historical science are different, and the former does not rise solely from the latter NYE: The distinction between observational and historical science is inaccurate; present experimentation is valid for historical inference, and supports evolution. Ham's talking a lot about 'science' and 'evolution' and other data sets being 'hijacked' by secularists/naturalists.