Bruce sighed, "I know you may not like us lycans but you can't blame the whole kind because of something a rogue group did. Were only supposed to attack vamps that hurt out pack or hurt us it's self defence what they did can't be forgiven my dad he won't kill them more likely just throw them down in the pits it's cave region we found years ago we sent a group of lycans down we had to get a rope to help pull tem out when wolf law is broken to where you attack a vamp not in self defence you get thrown in there you get food and stuff still just you won't have the freedom you used to have its damp and dark in there and you can't climb out because the rocks are to slippery several other lycans have tried and failed." He looked at Max's uncle, he held out his hand, "I'll try to convince my dad to let the vamps help us it's gonna be hard but I think I can do it while you try to convince the coven we stand a better chance working together than on out own."