[quote=mdk] Exactly. And I don't disagree - but the reaction has been 'Ham thinks Creation, and creation is stupid,' not 'Ham's presentation was flawed in the sense that this piece of data was incorrect.'Bill Nye handled him just fine, with data and facts and shit. Nobody's talking about that though. Idunno. I'm also not really looking for responses either, so there's always that. [/quote] Yeah, it's generally in poor taste to criticize a participant for their position. You can't expect that to change, and it's not productive to ask them to change it. If one wants to critique, they should critique their technique and presentation. Anything else is hot air.