Hey, don't start this argument with me. Because I've had it a dozen times before, each and every time the other party wound up providing me no evidence that made any more progress than this initial bout. Let me summarize any future comments that you want to say to me: "I'm arguing that this character is more Mary Sue than a character literally designed to be a Mary Sue." Superman's peak abilities outweigh those of Goku's. Not because it makes him a better character, not because it's fucking cool. Superman and Goku are increasingly lame as shit the more people argue over which is more OP. Being more OP than another character isn't a fucking good thing, and using Superman as a benchmark is even worse.