[quote=So Boerd]I'd put money on Brovo never shooting anything harder than a milk jug at 20 feet with a .22 on a bench rest.[/quote] Man it's almost like I didn't claim any personal knowledge of firearms whatsoever. [quote=Imperfectionist]Well, you don't know that, and neither do I. Brovo might have considerable experience with firearms, and has simply never been fearful for his life using a gun at the same time.[/quote] Nope. I don't. I never claimed it either. [quote=Omega] Not 100% at all actually. Thick clothing can defeat it and it is generally a 1 shot weapon. If you only have 1 shot to use it there are too many situations where your life is still in great danger.[/quote] The more I know-- [b]*Drowned under a sea of good points about tasers*[/b] Look, the part that still has me confused is how in the hell this story is supposed to come together. I'm no master of firearms but I know how to tell a story. So if Brown was charging at the officer, and he opened fire then, he was either panicking or incompetent to fire several shots in rapid succession instead of one or two aimed shots to the torso for an easy take down. I'm at least aware enough about firearms to know that you're supposed to aim, then fire. If you go with the "he panicked" route, then what the fuck is that man doing with a firearm when he panics at the sight of a single unarmed civilian charging him? Situation two, he struggled to retain control of his firearm against an assailant. He is firing at point blank range. [b]Where is the gunpowder residue.[/b] Even if it dissipates at a short range, I'm not buying the whole "the gun could not have been pointed at Brown when it went off" story. Last I checked you have to point a gun at a person in order for the bullet to go towards that person. Unless one is proposing that the officer did a noscope 360 deflection shot off the hood of his squad car. Now, again, I'm no expert on firearms, but I'm fairly sure it's more believable to assume that he probably pointed his firearm at Brown when he scored six successive shots. Situation three, the most believable one to me if Brown is the assailant. He failed to open fire on Brown when Brown charged. Brown grappled for the firearm. Brown is kicked away and raises his arms up to try and instinctively protect himself from the bullets. The cop panic fires and riddles Brown with several rounds. This would be just enough distance to dissipate residue. This, however, still fails to answer the character question. Why would Brown, who had no criminal record or history of mental disorders, do this? Why would he charge the officer? What logical reasoning could there be for Brown to suddenly become this brazen bullet-sponge? It doesn't make any sense. No rational person goes for the gun like that. Something about this story from the cop's angle does not match up whatsoever to how Brown likely would have reacted. This is further damning when you include witness testimony. At the end of the day though, as I said earlier, there's nothing of any fruit that could be added. Everything that needed to be said has already been said, any arguing here is just going around in circles based on whether you prefer the cop's side of the story or the witnesses' side of the story. At the very least though, I learned more shit about tasers. That'll show me for assuming anything, I got taught a lesson. :hehe