@Notorious, did you tell me whereabouts in the country James would be from? [quote=MyCatGinger]And Jig, stop swinging that arm around, damnit...and putting excessive amounts of pressure on it, too. I've actually never really had trouble with bees or even wasps before, They just consciously avoid me. [/quote] I keep forgetting it's ****ed and hurting it just through stupid. Normally I just tell wasps quite sternly where they can shove their spiky arses and they do listen, but I was using my laptop in a dark room so it got very excited by the brightness, which is where I was. @Call - congratulations! The big two-oh is horrifying.