[quote=mdk] lol, well, his father didn't do shit if all he did was roll over and die. [/quote] Well, of course, he would be fighting the guy. Not 'roll over and die'. [quote=Magic Magnum] Rare, did you even read over the discussion regarding shooting to be non-lethal and the issues with that? There's at least an entire page of it.Also, may the father have done good as an officer or not the Kid is still going to feel awful if his Dad's death was preventable but wasn't prevented out of concern for the murderer. [/quote] I did read that and I'm just sharing my thoughts on this topic. Yeah, he would still feel away if his father's death was preventable, but that's life. [quote=Omega] "We know it sucks you dad died, but you can live happy knowing that he died being stabbed to death rather than potentially wrongfully killing his murderer." [/quote] Okay, he wouldn't die due to the stab wound, unless it damaged the organs and they didn't make it to the ER room in time. [quote=Imperfectionist] It's simply unrealistic, Rare. If you were a cop, you would have gone through training, with your firearm and otherwise... And the threat of death is a lot scarier than you think. If someone was actually trying to kill you, and you still had use of your firearm, I assure you that you would not allow that person to stab you to death. It would be reflex, as much as anything, but you would not lay on the ground to die. [/quote] Okay, where did you get that I said, "Let the officer just lay on the ground and die.". No, I didn't say that, I said that he should fight him or use his taser on him. [quote=Omega] Also you literally could not be a cop, if you cannot kill someone in self-defense then you cannot be expected to kill in the defense of others. It is not a pretty part of the job but every so often is a necessary one, if cops refuse to kill, if they all only carried one-shot tazers then they would die a lot more often than they do now and a lot more innocent people would die with them.Things like this do happen:It is miracle there were no fatalities except for the shooters and it was catastrophic enough that the police lacked rifles or other weapons with the necessary capability to defeat the body armor of the shooters. [/quote] Go to other countries, that don't allowed guns in the police force, and tell them that. [quote=So Boerd] Suppose, Rare, you are 20 yards away from an old lady and there's a guy with a knife running at her 10 yards to her right. You have a gun. What do you do? "Never kill the bad guys, ever?" [/quote] Well, I would just shot him in the arm or the leg. Making him drop the knife and the old lady lives another day to shop.