[quote=Imperfectionist] Heh, tell me about it. Mage is cool, but it's so out there that I think most groups just never get up the motivation to play... The books are interesting to read (and, in my opinion, it's the best-written of the WW games), but everything's so abstract that it takes a lot of work on the part of the players the GM to get it running well. Have you ever read through the Sorceror's Crusade campaign setting? [/quote] It is definitely been my favorite of all the book I have, it did take me about a week of reading to wrap my head around it, time well spent in my opinion. No I haven't I've never been able to find it as sadly I've been pulling together my collection more in recent years rather then back when it was being published.