[quote=Shienvien] Another note: person's definition of "average height" is not necessarily a match for another person's "average height". For me, the average height for man would be 6'2'' or so, and for a woman 5'8'' or so. What's your "average height"? [/quote] Actually, this is a valid point. Since I have no frame of reference (I'm really stupid at visual-spacial stuff - I can't compare two lengths if they aren't right next to one another, read maps, remember locations, imagine 3D shapes, etc), average height for me is one that doesn't make me go "Hey, that guy's short/tall." Clearly, this is an imperfect system. Still, beyond obvious-height-differences-based-on-notable-heights-referred-to-in-CS's, most people can't gage another person's height against their own. Remember that thing everybody used to do in the playground where they'd go back to back and get somebody else to judge who was taller? If it's a matter of 6"1 to 6"2, that's very unlikely to get any IC application. [quote=Prince] Whoa, calm down there. I just wanted to call myself handsome. ... I'm shorter than your average female height.[/quote] Just as well you only wanted to call yourself handsome, because your pitch is really nose-diving now.