[quote=Lionheart] I'm not too familiar with how that works, from my understanding the Toshakas are pretty powerful and they're 6th. So that's my baseline, honestly I don't have any kind of concept as to how much power goes with each. Sooooo, if you can explain that to me and give a more believable number by all means go right ahead. [/quote] They're linked to Zelretch and have ties with the Church too, so the Tohsaka aren't too normal. The other two families tied to the Grail War are older. XD