[quote=darkwolf687] Even by the very late 1870's proposals some people are making, the M1 grand isn't in, I don't believeAnd yeah, we should wait for Gowia, considering he wrote the traits and one says "Musket misfires" while we also have metal airships and stuff. He needs to set the tech level [/quote] Ok, good, so we're not that far. We've got muskets as the norm, and rifles as the increasingly-norm, with giant metal airships but not metal boats, we've got heavy guns [since a flying dreadnaught, I assume, will have heavy artillery pieces], but not any kind of rapid-fire weapon.