[quote=Foster] We have a guy like Neptune, who is shallow enough to drop a date without explanation or apology, for fear of being embarrassed. -Jaune gives Neptune a good scolding and then Neptune decides to resume his date with Weiss. [/quote] I liked Jaune for that. That was a good moment. [quote=Foster] And Juane, a hold-out that is being told 'No' without explanation, because Weiss felt embarrassed to be seen hanging-out with an under-achiever (be it Juane or Ruby). [/quote] With volume 2, when ever did Weiss feel or act embarrassed to be around Jaune and/or Ruby? There was the beginning of the first volume... And then they were all getting along just fine--Weiss is constantly having physical contact with Ruby, for example. And when she's around Jaune...contempt and disdain is more accurate. Not that I can blame her after his forever pursuit. That said, with Neptune talking up Jaune and Jaune done harassing Weiss, we might see Weiss and Jaune as [i]friends[/i] in upcoming episodes. [quote=Foster] It seems Monty's angle isn't quite so much Juane, as much as trying to figure out why Weiss says 'No.' so often.... even to bunk-beds. [/quote] Well Weiss blatantly told us that she's weary of men going after her for her money / status. So that's one reason. From that we can gain she's a cautious person, who stops herself before getting too hopeful and involved. She's insecure. She's lonely, and she's not sure she can trust the people around her to make her feel not lonely. And, besides, even if that's what Monty's going for, he's doing it in a way that demonizes Jaune, which sucks. Monty could have easily had multiple boys approach and get rejected by Weiss to emphasize her insecurity. [quote=Foster] Either way, what Juane does have going for him, is persistence despite adversity; being able to put-up with Cardin's bullying was likely a quality he learned when handling his sisters' boyfriends. He may honestly think that is how guys normally act (aside from Cardin's group, and Sun+Neptune, where are all the other boys he is supposed to role-model from?). [/quote] I agree that his Cardin arc was pretty good character-building wise. However, he did not know how to put up with Cardin from the beginning, as we saw. It took Pyrrha being in danger for him to finally stand up to Cardin--it wasn't a male role model at all, but the fact that he cared about his teammate enough to put his own well being at risk. So there's no way he learned "how to deal with Cardin" from his sisters' supposed girlfriends. What I see in Jaune is a boy who was told to "be a man," maybe from his sisters (though this seems unlikely since they taught him to dance), mother, and maybe even father as he talked about in volume 1 when telling Pyrrha why he snuck into Beacon. However, it's blatant that he was never taught [i]how[/i] to be a man.