I've already dealt with eloquent speakers like you who, if not being passive aggressive, merely speak in a matter to try and sound erudite and more logical than the person they're addressing. It's a pride thing on your part, whether you want to admit it or not. Ech, I'll probably just go and play SMT IV until things simmer down. And oh by the way wizardguy, I'm not asking you to remove Kami or anything, I just don't want things to basically become spitting contests like they have become already.