Guys, this was honestly meant to be an off-hand side note about a personal concern I see with it. It wasn't meant to be a "Why do you think women can't think for themselves!" thing this seems to be exploding into. [quote=Vanq]I hope I'm just not understanding you properly, because what you seem to be implying is the inability of women and girls to distinguish reality and fiction. The same argument, targeted largely at boys and men (by the media or "concerned" parents) regarding violence in video games is just as inane an argument.[/quote] No, I'm voicing a concern that an abusive relationship is even a fantasy for such a large portion of people. [quote=Brovo]Okay... Let me reiterate this one more time.. . There's nothing else to it. There's utterly nothing wrong with it. Whatsoever. At all. That has been my point this whole time. I don't know how you're missing that when I've blatantly told you that it's normal, it's widely prolific, it's something quite literally does. Including you. From sadists to masochists to everything in-between, we all have our fantasies, light and dark, romantic and twisted, and we have dozens, if not hundreds of them. . That grow and change over time as our tastes grow and change and our mentalities change.It's healthy to explore your fantasies in a purely fictional and imaginative way. It's a way to explore yourself and understand who you are, which allows you to better adapt to new situations and even start relationships with other people.Simply put Gwazi: Stop judging women for what the fuck they enjoy. That's actually incredible sexist. Just let women enjoy whatever the hell fantasy they want to, even if it's lolipop gumdrops and dark chocolate making out over cloud number nine. Because it's a fantasy. A FANTASY! IT'S A COOKBOOK! A COOKBOOOOK!Sheesh.[/quote] I only highlighted women here because that is demographically the majority of it's fan base. My points would have also applied to any men who were the same as well. I completely get the whole fantasy and exploring fantasy to grow thing. And I get people separating fantasy from real life. But when it starts to turn into self such as "I totally relate to Bella", it starts to suggest more at play. I mean when have you ever heard a gamer say something like "I relate to Duke Nukem" or some other character that's clearly meant to be an exaggerated/fantasy experience, where if you behaved such way in the real world... it wouldn't be good. Honestly though, I do not get how being concerned that people are turned on enough by an abusive relationship that they start to say they relate to it in the real world... I don't see how that's sexist.