[quote=Enalais] Yeah, but perhaps modern day wouldn't fit too well, seeing as in modern day as human beings we don't really look past our own social norms so a Muslim group, with an Extremist religious group would end badly. and your nation would flop. And that's epically true in present day where our short sightedness literally kills people. [/quote] And people were loving and accepting in the past? At least in modern times, we've had to deal with people of other races, religions, etc, so we can at least trade with other groups and form temporary alliances against common threats. [quote=Vahir] Plus there just isn't much land TO establish a nation in these days. [/quote] Ok, I thought I wrote in that we would buy some land that didn't have anyone on it from a country and build our city there, but it doesn't look like I put that down, just that we'd set up in an area with no people. oops. That's also why we'll need to secede at some point, and risk being attacked. Also, technically there are a few areas. We could Seastead (build a floating island), go to Northern Canada (technically part of them, but they set it all aside for the natives), that little spot below Egypt that is only claimed by a tourist that promised his daughter she could be a real princess, or Antarctica. With Seasteading, we could each be our own floating island and tie our islands together for trade. If things go bad, we separate.