[quote=Jorick] Halo, shhh, I wasn't really saying Marik was giving advice (because yeah it definitely did look like some blame placing), I was playing off your "asking for it" thing and making a thinly veiled comparison/parallel to rape and victim blaming and that realm of things. [/quote] oh 'cause yeah that was what I was trying to get at with the "asking for it" thing and then c: carry on [quote=8] You are correct, it is not morally wrong to not take precautions. In the examples you provided, it is very clear that yes the victims in the situations did nothing wrong. However, in the pencil scenario, it's rather petty and small, taking the correct precautions to protect your things is very common knowledge. Don't leave your wallet in your back pocket in an airport, don't walk alone in sketchy areas, yeah? It's never ever "your fault" if something bad happens to you, but it's pretty simple, precautions are as easy as putting your pencil in your pocket before you get up from your desk, putting the wallet in your front pocket, or taking the long way home. Again, it's not applicable in larger/more complicated situations like you outlined in your post, but works here for our purposes with Rax. [/quote] I was gonna respond to this and then I had a horrifying realisation. Without even setting foot in OT, I am becoming one of them. Every thread I set foot in... Forgive me, gods of Spam, for I have sinned. ;-;