[quote=Magic Magnum] Now thats what you should of started with (rather than one other thing which I'll get into later) rather than stating the obvious. :P [/quote] Can you not, lol [quote=Magic Magnum] I should clarify, when I say race I am referring to things such as Asian, African-American (This one we already admitted is in need of mass adjustment), Hispanic and Caucasian. [/quote] But that's just it. There are people who do not fit those "races." Race doesn't work. What you're referring to is geographic origin. And, often, Hispanics--for example--are more genetically similar to white or Caucasian people than they are to other Hispanics. This is just another reason why race doesn't work. [quote=Magic Magnum] Genetically and Scientifically, there is still some gene variance causing their skin to be different colours. [/quote] Exactly. But that doesn't make them difference races. Just like an African-American isn't a different race than you. [quote=Magic Magnum]So fine, for this case you probably know better than I do, but recognize that you received specialized training for this, and others who have not done so are not suddenly idiots. [/quote] No, that's fair. I understand. I was a little harsh, haha. [quote=Magic Magnum] Hell I outright admitted it was back when I agreed that the term "African-American" was outdated and misused. [/quote] Yes, you did. However, if something is this flawed, then it doesn't work on a scientific level. People, on average, cannot guess a person's race correctly over 80% of the time. That's a 20% if this was a test--a test that would quickly fail. To further this point, I recommend checking this [url=http://www.pbs.org/race/002_SortingPeople/002_00-home.htm]quiz[/url] out. It asks you to sort people into races and I can almost guarantee that you'll fail. [quote=Magic Magnum] For a non-race example. I am a hetereosexual, one my best friends is bi, and another is asexual. But by saying this I am not suddenly labeling them as such, or saying that's all they are. I am not at all suggesting that is the extent of who we are, nor do I need to abandon such terms to be able to see them as independent and unique individuals. [/quote] No, but heterosexuals like the opposite gender. Bisexuals like both men and women. And asexuals are just not interested in anyone sexually. This is a given. You cannot do that with race. There is not a single universal trait or gene that applies to a single race. Not all African-Americans have dark skin (refer to the twins for example--the white one is still descended from a black parent). Not all Caucasians have narrow noses. You're absolutely right that your sexuality doesn't define who you are but it isn't comparable to race. Labels with human sexuality work very, very well. Labels with human diversity do not. [quote=Magic Magnum] But for future reference, if you ever intended to discuss a point such as this to someone try starting off with your educational background rather than ending with it. [/quote] I suppose I should. That's fair. Though I'm cautious about doing so via the internet because people are quick to dismiss it as bull shit or trying to "win points." [quote=Magic Magnum] If an expert comes up, set's things right and then people keep arguing and saying otherwise, then you have a legitimate reason to be angry with them. The Expert has to be able to inform the person first, you can't expect everyone else to know it just because you already heard it in class, you need to take the time to explain it to them first. [/quote] Very true. I suppose I was being a little ridiculous, haha.