[quote=So Boerd] How do the premises I stated not entail the conclusion?And, I outright stated the premises may be false, but one must be or premise 4 must be. [/quote] I wasn't objecting to the premises and the possibility of them being false, I was objecting to the contention and how it could not be the determiner of whether or not those premises are false. Look, does this really matter anyways? On a different platform I may encourage this debate but it's kind of melting down into just a shouting match. There are some who genuinely care about the issues and others who just want to be right, and it's not a good, constructive combination. I hate to be the one to tell people to calm down when it comes to important, emotional issues to discuss such as this but I can see this thread becoming like the Ferguson one very quickly. Regardless, this thread was started because people wanted to discuss and debate the video in first post and the possible interpretations. Nothing to do with what has happened now. If you really, really want to argue, either get back to the topic at hand or go to a separate thread.