[quote=Justric] I'm hearing echoes of my KwanJangNim from where I work... as he has so painfully demonstrated on my ribs a number of times during sparring. [/quote] Yep. A lesson I learned myself (painfully, I might add) from my own MCMAP (Marine Corps Martial Arts Program) instructor, Sergeant Mauro. We did that exact drill I described in the post, actually. Regardless of who was executing the technique on whom, as soon as the technique was finished (be it a leg-sweep, or a shoulder throw, or what have you) we rolled immediately into ground-fighting. It was...Useful, but unpleasant?