Just to make things a bit simpler, when looking for loot, I will roll to see how well it's hidden (1-20) and then roll to see if you can spot it (2 rolls of 1-6). And in VP land, there is a penalty for finding loot. EDIT: I have noticed that this seems a bit broken. Gisk, permission to change that 20 into a 12, or make some other change to make it a bit fair, or even explain how the loot system works? And yes, I've already read the first post for the loot system. I was only talking about in terms of ammo.