oh well... that's an issue. it looks like my post contradicted the end of yours Jinx, but it's late here and I'm too tired to rewrite it in such a major way, and if i just delete it and make another one tomorrow who knows how long it'll take for it to be right (especially if other people post). can i ask you a favor and just change that last paragraph, making it so they don't break through till your next post?