[quote]I did, several times. You keep coming back with the same arguments though, so it'd be a waste of breath to keep the cycle going.[/quote] You have not and I have not. Your contrived semantic explanation was not sufficient and the moment I changed to "non-religious governments and societies are on the whole more violent" rather than "Killing in the name of atheism" which your sophistical efforts could defend against, you decided to give up. Now answer the question.