How long are we supposed to wait for an update? I've seen many just get tired of it and up and leave. The old rpg had many people who stayed. Why? It was a decent website so you had more people willing to stay. There was a welcoming committee of generally the same people in introductions. We've been kept in the dark so freakin long. Yeah, we were never told about the money problems until it became a reality. And if people are as loyal as you say, I'm sure they would have been willing to donate and we wouldn't have this problem. If he has a life then maybe he could share the freakin responsibility? I even know someone that would be willing to help with design of the site, who currently has a job designing websites for colleges. IF he actually was open about events of the website, we wouldn't have this issue. Maybe you can argue about the members thing, but there's still that other problem. Just look at this thread. No mods have shown up, let alone Mahz. I'm surprised the hammer has not come down. And as someone else pointed out- Less people=Less ad money=Shutdown of site anyway since there's no revenue coming in. Or a second guildfall.