[quote=Magic Magnum]So past systems? Those we grew/evolved out of? [/quote] Yes. Systems can evolve and change with the times, the people and the resources. Unless you think countries today were run the exact same way 100 years ago? [quote=Magic Magnum]Suggesting that there a tried and tested reason for moving on to Democracy. Mainly for the reason you admit to below, population. We are no longer in the age of small towns and communities, we're in the age of giant cities, giant countries, hell when even have a United Nations. Humanity has simply grown too large and wide to operate on such small scale systems anymore.[/quote] Except that's not true at all, why does any country need to be as big as it is? What I'm proposing is the equivalent of just giving states, counties, and towns/cities the power federal governments currently have. [quote=Magic Magnum]And theoretically we might just not vote for a government or president, but it never happens.[/quote] Well, there were the three times a president was elected by the Electoral College despite not winning the majority of the population. I somehow see this as worse than no one turning out to the polls. [quote=Magic Magnum]And I don't even see how smaller population is a counter for constant demand. If anything, it makes my constant voting issue an even bigger flaw because now if you don't vote it's much more sizable chunk of the community not being represented. So not only is it far more constant/demanding, but it's far more required now.[/quote] That's just something you can't avoid. You can't demand that people vote, it's their prerogative if they don't want too, they should, especially when their vote means more, but they DON'T have to. That's just how freedom do. Also, how is answering some yes or no questions once or twice a week a constant bombardment of votes? [quote=Magic Magnum]And technology get's hacked, get's manipulated. There's a reason voting stations still get set up that you have to go there and vote in person.If Technology was a viable alternative, we have already made the switch like we did with almost every other field of life.[/quote] Technology and science progress, it's slow, but we are making the transition. [quote=Magic Magnum]Plus, keyword = expect.You expect people to follow through and make it work, but you have nothing helping ensure it will. Other than some faith that everyone will be loyal and honourable to your system.[/quote] You can't ever expect everyone to be honorable to the system, you just need enough. Also, faith is how most governments, as well as the global economy work. [quote=Magic Magnum]You mean like our current government is run by citizens? Or do they not count as citizens anymore because they were advanced to a high position of power? In which case, wouldn't your system be impossible too, because once said citizens start running stuff we stop seeing them as citizens? Believe it or not, leading a community isn't an easy job. It's not something you can just do on the side while leading another working life.If you want to lead your people, you need to invest your time into it.[/quote] They're citizens. But a majority seem too far removed from the populations they claim to represent to all vote in their favor. That isn't okay. [quote=Magic Magnum]And many wouldn't know, and vote anyways.Simply going "Well yea, you're perceived flaw will be a thing" doesn't eliminate it as being a flaw, it's actually the reverse.It confirms my perceived flaw is spot on, in which case ignoring it is the worst thing you can do. And how do you plan to inform them? Do you have a method to help make sure everyone is informed. Or are you just hoping that people will be informed?[/quote] Communication? Greater emphasis on these things in school? I think it's worth experimentation, and acknowledging that it won't happen over night. [quote=Magic Magnum]Yes? Is this seriously being asked? Knowledge is possessing the mental information and know how about something. Experience, expertise, understanding. Motivation is simply caring or wanting to help.[/quote] Call me Socratic, but I don't think you can actually 'know' anything. We live in an incredibly subjective world where, ultimately, truth relies entirely on perspective. Everything is arguable, nothing is black or white. The only thing, I believe, that you can really know, is that you are yourself, and that you know nothing for sure. 'Knowledge' then, isn't really knowing, but the motivation to pursue information and experience despite the uncertainty. I think the two go hand in hand. [quote=Magic Magnum]Specifically his first point of "The world only cares about what it can get from you". In it, he makes an example of someone on the ground bleeding out. Now, the author in this case uses this example in regards to romantic relationships, and how simply being a "Nice Guy/Girl" isn't enough.But I feel it also applies here, where when voting on specific issues simply being a "Motivated Guy/Girl" isn't enough, you need to actually know what you're making a decision about.[/quote] Man, I love David Wong, but he sure does love to cherry pick his arguments. He's presenting the information in a way that confirms his own hypothesis, is it impossible for him to believe MAYBE the guy CAN help your girlfriend out? Even ignoring that, the example is unrealistic and has ZERO context. Where did she get shot? Why did she get shot? Hell-- what time of day is it? To your "Motivated Guy/Girl" claim, I'd argue voting is different from removing a gun with a pocket knife on the street, but that's just me. Motivation+Knowledge are ideal, but you can't control a population to be perfectly ideal. [quote=Magic Magnum]What kind of experts? One engineer? One Doctor? One Teacher? Some nice, in theory. But in practicality, it basically becomes a matter of most of the experts stay quiet when it's not their field, and then the one expert speaks up when it is their field. Or the other experts wanting to feel involved speak up, even when they may know nothing of the matter at hand. There's a reason experts stay in their current fields, and then make the propositions. And why when government decisions are made they find people to advise and make arguments.[/quote] So then expand the arguing panel to those it effects and those who you may consider 'experts' It is only a theory, but being able to be fluid is vital for success in practice. [quote=Magic Magnum]Therefore, we should simply ignore the flaws and bring in any system we feel like? Yes, flaws are always around. Thats life.[/quote] Yes. That's how things improve, you take the ideas of your ancestors, and tray and make them better. [quote=Magic Magnum]But it's also important recognize the flaws, combat the flaws, minimize the flaws. Or you get screwed over. That's life. Otherwise what's stopping us from being Facist? Or Communist? Sure there's flaws of mass genocide, but nothing is without flaws... right?[/quote] [Correlation != Causation] [quote=Magic Magnum]You mean, like our current system?[/quote] Nah, current system is bloated and experiences a disconnect between the representatives and citizens. I feel like smaller spheres of influence would help with that. [quote=Magic Magnum]Yes all hold some, this is true. But it doesn't mean it comes in extremes. And it doesn't mean it makes everyone viable for every decision.[/quote] Sure, but when you begin excluding people because they aren't "fit" to make a decision regarding where they live, that's when you start becoming fascist. It's better for the unfit people to make a shitty decision, than strip them of that freedom altogether. Just because by some standardized measurement they aren't knowledgeable or informed enough. [quote=Magic Magnum]I find it bizarre how when it comes to certain fields we only trust trained/specialized experts to be making decisions.[/quote] #subjective [quote=Magic Magnum]But when it comes to making a decision about who is responsible for your country, everyone has a say. Or with your system, when making a decision about any matter, no matter how complex or serious, everyone has a say.[/quote] You find it bizarre that people who live in a place get to make decisions regarding that place that they live? [quote=Magic Magnum]People go and get trained/educated for a reason. It's not just to have a fancy paper to put up on a wall.[/quote] It kind of is, though. That, and using that fancy paper to make more green paper. The fancy paper wouldn't exist if people did it purely out of the joy of learning about a thing they like-- and I would argue, especially now, in the 'digital age' there are more experts than ever WITHOUT that fancy paper who train and educate themselves, for themselves.