[quote=Kafka Komedy] What would a risen demon be? It's a demon who doesn't like order, right? If so, would Brace count, considering he doesn't particularly care for order even though he lies to himself/others about it? [/quote] Well, the reasoning behind Count's fall was that he discovered that by embracing order and control he discovered a more pure sense of freedom. The way I picture his demonic counterpart would be a demon who discovers that by embracing freedom and anarchy they can forge a more stable, stronger kind of order and control.