I don't have no damn disease. Cut the patronizing shit, you're better than that. I am completely aware that drawn borders are not universally agreed to and that claims overlap in people's minds for a variety of reasons. That still doesn't change how unlikely this whole thing is to me. I don't care how weak the Ottomans are, there is no way the average Turk would let this happen as easily as it has happened. It's like every Turk in the country agreed to roll the fuck over at the exact same time. The government may be done for, but there are still people. Pissed off people, even. You said it yourself. Don't underestimate how hard someone will fight for their land, or something they believe in. But you make no mention of how the Turks are [i]not[/i] fighting hard. Some people are going to say the land is Greek, or Armenian, but just as many will believe it is Turkish. Yet they are just sitting there doing jack shit. EDIT: And I am not entirely convinced the fall of the goddam Roman Empire has any weight in this discussion. A lot of what happened to them still applies, sure, but the gap between a Roman Legion and an army of barbarians was significantly smaller than the gap between an industrialized nation with aircraft, tanks, ect, and one that lacks that. Polish arms may have closed the gap a bit but how much is arguable.