[quote=@Voltus_Ventus] I don't think that will work, if that were the case and I was there before you, I would have been 17 (my age 33 subtract your daughter's age, the time you spent in town) and that is the age I left my village to go adventuring, I assume I arrived at the age of 25, 8 years into your stay. So how about I helped you make your operations more efficient? A better gear assembly for the sawmill, since I'm handy with gears and better casting channels and basins so you lose less metal and make more ingots. I would use the money from those endeavors to start up my smithing business, you probably would have taken it as a bit of an insult -probably because you wanted me to work for you, so as a show of good faith I made you your pickaxe. [/quote] Malakaus is an orc. A retired one at that: If he was so easy to anger he would have died in a fight a long time ago. He's better at controlling his rage now. It'd take a lot more than refusing one of his offers to insult him. Still, I suppose at some point they might have clashed for one reason or another. Seeing that Malakaus is the overseer of the iron mines, maybe at some point Ves might have unknowingly taken ore out without their permission? I can see that with Ves, begin a rogue, he could have sneaked in there in order to get ore for his forge. But one way or another Malakaus finds out where all the missing metal has been going to and confronts Ves about it. After all Malakaus can't just let any person, even someone from the village, just go inside the mines and take whatever they wanted. Otherwise outsiders could just come in, strip mine the entire area, and leave the village without any ore for themselves to use. Eventually this turns into a rather big tiff, but when it's resolved it ends with Malakaus getting his sweet Pick-Axe and Ves get's free reign into the mines.