[quote=@whizzball1] When I say that, I'm talking about the "happiness" the world gives. And I've always believed that joy does not necessarily include happiness. It's more than that, a lot more than that. That's why I agree with "Happiness is circumstantial. Joy is eternal." Joy is something much better. [/quote] Happiness is happiness, regardless of the source. Dopamine in the brain. Joy is something deeper, that does bring happiness. It's fleeting, but joy will restore it, even if circumstances are low. Happiness can be circumstantial, but it isn't necessarily.