[quote=@Caits] I have been doing karate since I was 5, and took up boxing two yesrs ago, and since I've been at the gym have done kick boxing as well as the boxing. Didn't expect that answer, did you? And most men I know do Not have more physical endurance nor pain endurance. And I'm pretty sure a woman about to be abducted wouldn't care if an attack was "inbred" but more about escaping. And it's a lot harder to hit a woman in the groin then it is a many, what with the dangling bits. [/quote] I wasn't expecting anything in particular. I try not to go into discussions with preconceived notions, only facts, statistically proven not from what I personally know but from official records. As much as I wish to provide sources and point out fallacies, I will respect your wish to cease this debate and cede with dignity. In other news, I will be posting shortly. The encounter with the rogue mage is about to begin.