Okay fellows how about we all agree that both groups have their shares of good people and complete ass hats as well as both have the potential of being monsters *cough cough blood mages cough cough red Templars cough cough Paxton* XD We can not argue for one group with out realizing that they are just as bad as the other, the only difference is what name they do there killing and heinous acts in. Either in the sake of Maker given freedom or the worry of others, both good intentions but ultimately death is still death